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Hi @anton-seaice just spotted some of this documentation which I cant seem to access, put one of the changes we are using a value of and CICE salinity there is this discrepancy with the setting in the ocean code, Martin has just switched it to 0.005 in the latest run to try and resolve some closure issues (didnt change what we wanted). |
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Ah ok thanks - don't worry too much about this doc yet. I just put it here to make sure the docs website builds ok |
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Given this is now merged, I'd suggest you rebase or resolve (as below) Thanks for your help on sorting out the structure! |
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@blimlim - When the um calculates the sea ice surface temperature (fld_s00i508), what does it use for open water ? It looks like maybe -1.8C ? |
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@ofa001 - if you have time to look though https://access-esm16-configs--234.org.readthedocs.build/diagnostics/sea_ice/ that would be great @blimlim - this is ready for review! :) |
I think that's right. It's a bit confusing because it gets set differently in several different places in the UM. From what I can tell, the last time it's changed in a timestep is here, where it gets set to |
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I haven't done the python sections I noticed rlus had a question mark next to it. I would check what is in MOPPER but in APP4 it was a group of fields for ESM1.5. I guess all of these are still being saved in ESM1.6, @bimlim will know. Its a bit confusing what is included in relation to snow in siflfwbot which is the term furthest from closure. Should it contain melting snow? IIts a source of freshwater. The snow budget seems to be the bit we have the most issues with and it was with CMIP6 CM2 runs we dropped it out of our comparison with the Met office and their runs. I guess its too late now but something to keep in mind for CM3. |
Ah yes - I thought i looked at it wasn't being saved but that doesn't seem very likely. I have
I was convinced that what we do is internally consistent, the cice internal field "fresh" is used for "siflfwbot" and for the coupled melt and form water fluxes. |
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@anton-seaice The new snow hsn_new is not included. But during melting there will be unlikely to be snowfall. |
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Yes - that is correct. Fresh includes snow melt (and presumably melt pond drainage) but not rain (unless it goes into a melt pond) |
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There is this line in ice_step_mod,F90 that includes frain. do i = 1, nx_block Still not clear why the budget doesn't close nor why it doesn't close whilst advecting terms are considered. One other thought I had yesterday, when you did put out a sisnconc in those test diagnostics what formula did you use wasit the snow patch one from CICE or the one from the UM radiation code, the values looked reasonable that was the point I was planning to make on how the data looked. Not sure how the UM formulae would be but I guess it would be a modification of 100% cover. |
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I've tried taking another look at the budgets, as it would be nice if we could mention likely reasons that they aren't closing. I've probably misunderstood a few things but have a couple of candidates: Water and thermodynamicsFor the comparison of
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Thanks @anton-seaice, I think this is looking good. I've just added a few more questions/comments
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THanks @bimlim your additional points on the potential conversation errors in "fresh" and melts are useful. |
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My replies ended up in a review accidentally
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I think I addressed the comments @blimlim ? |
So we will change this - see #88 Shall we wait until that issue is resolved, or finish this PR and then update siflfwbot subsequently |
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Thanks @anton-seaice, happy to finish this one off first and add the siflfwbot changes later. I've just added a few very small comments, and also added some notes on the UM's sea ice surface temperature
Co-authored-by: Spencer Wong <88933912+blimlim@users.noreply.github.com>
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Should be all done @blimlim |
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Thanks @anton-seaice, all looks good to me!
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Apologies @anton! Pinged the wrong user! |




This change adds some documentation and notes on the CMIP7 style diagnostics used in ACCESS-ESM1.6
The preview is here:
https://access-esm16-configs--234.org.readthedocs.build/diagnostics/sea_ice/
The page is generated from a jupyter notebook, the process to generate the page is:
I tried using the mkdocs-jupyter plugin to render the notebook, which rendered fine and was convenient. However it wasn't compatible with the https://github.com/ACCESS-NRI/access-esm1.6-configs/blob/214-main/documentation/hooks/hide_pages_url_segment.py hook to remove
pages/from our urls. Thepagesalways remained only for the rendered notebook.