Presets for climbing features

[mfbehrens]

Hi,

it would be very useful if there was a preset for climbing. It should mainly be for nodes

The wiki article can be found here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Climbing

Best, Michael

[maro-21]

What preset do you mean? Sport=climbing is just a tag used in combination with other tags.

[mfbehrens]

When you are tagging outdoor climbing then it is used as the "main tag"
See: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1425479699

According to the wiki leisure=sports_center only has to be applied when the locations is artificial

[maro-21]

Every feature on OSM must have a main tag. Such feature won't be visible anywehere on maps.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sport
"A sport=* should normally also be associated with a suitable physical feature where it is performed; often this is leisure=pitch or leisure=track although other surfaces or features are sometimes appropriate, for example natural=beach for swimming and scuba diving. A leisure=sports_centre may be associated with a number of sports. Where individual sports are played at distinct identifiable places then identify the sport with the particular pitch etc."

[mfbehrens]

I know that this is how it should be however according to https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/sport=climbing#combinations only 22% sport=climbing have a leisure=* tag. The thing is that natural climbing sites should not be tagged as leisure.

[maro-21]

The link you provided shows that in most cases climbing is connected to some physical object:
natural 40.15% + leisure 22.12% = 62.27%.

The thing is that natural climbing sites should not be tagged as leisure.

Yes, they aren't tagged as leisure becasue they're tagged as natural=cliff or natural=bare_rock.
People climb on something. It can be either a natural rock/cliff or a man made construction. It doesn't have to be leisure=* or pitch.

[tyrasd]

I think the primary tag is simply climbing in this case. For example climbing=area, climbing=route, climbing=crag or climbing=bolder.

[mfbehrens]

If anybody can create the raw structure and an example I can implement the rest of the tags and keys

[zbycz]

Hi, I summarized all climbing features in a table.

1. as you can see, crag and boulder have both two ways of tagging which are equally popular. What is the proper procedure to include both in iD? Perhaps create two presets with same name, where one is searchable (prefered) and second not? And second references first's name?

2. Any suggestions to the preset names? I don't like Climbing route - bottom much, but as I am not a native speaker I can't say. Perhaps "start" could be better?

3. Can we also create a preset for the freestanding "sport=climbing"? It would help people evolve it to something more specific.

preset name	tags		types from wiki	#
Climbing gym (done)	leisure = sport_center sport = climbing		node	4k
Rock climbing crag	natural = cliff sport = climbing		node,way	7k
	climbing = crag		node,relation	3k
Rock climbing boulder	natural = stone sport = climbing		node,area	1k
	climbing = boulder		node,relation	1k
Rock climbing area	climbing = area		node,area,relation	0k
Climbing route	climbing = route		node,way	1k
Climbing route - bottom	climbing = route_bottom		node	4k
Climbing route - top	climbing = route_top		node	0k
. . . fallback category:
Climbing site	sport = climbing		any	17k

Full table here - with counts per type.

[zbycz]

PR here: #1113