iD template can't tag toilets for multiple genders?

[mxxcon]

It seems like iD's toilets template uses a radio button selection for gender options

Radio buttons make it impossible to indicate that a toilet is for both, male and female but segregated.

[pnorman]

cc @rory as someone who's done research about this.

[amandasaurus]

👋 This has been knocking around for a few years. When I looked before, the iD preset format wasn't able to support this type of tagging scheme. I had a suggestion for how to do this: openstreetmap/iD#7427 But I haven't had the time to implement this and submit a patch,

[matkoniecz]

See also https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dtoilets#Gender_neutral_toilets

iD issue tracker (or iD tagging preset issue tracker) may be not the best place to select a specific tagging if there is this level of confusion.

It may be better to discuss it with people interested in tagging that.

[mxxcon]

But then the current iD setup forces a particular tagging scheme. And even so, regardless of which way you prefer to tag things, the current options don't allow you to express more than only 3 most common options, with one of them being the most ambiguous.
If "unisex" means gender neutral, right now iD doesn't allow tagging for combined entrances since it's radio buttons.
If "unisex" means combined entrance, iD don't allow tagging for gender neutral.

[maro-21]

Everything is ok here:

• Male means "there is a toilet only for men"
• Female means "there is a toilet only for women"
• Unisex means "there is a toilet for men and women".

[mxxcon]

Everything is ok here:

• Unisex means "there is a toilet for men and women".

Means 2 different things: gender neutral toilet where everybody can go into a common space and pick the next available stall/booth/cabin. And it can mean a common entrance but then toilets separate by gender.
These things are very different.

[amandasaurus]

Nonnative speakers of English keep arguing with native English speakers about the meaning of the word "unisex". 🙄

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[mxxcon]

Excuse me?🤨

[mxxcon]

Nonnative speakers of English keep arguing with native English speakers about the meaning of the word "unisex". 🙄
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On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 22:40, mxxcon @.***> wrote: > Everything is ok here: > * Unisex means "there is a toilet for men and women". Means 2 different things: gender neutral toilet where everybody can go into a common space and pick the next available stall/booth/cabin. And it can mean a common entrance but then toilets separate by gender. These things are very different. — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#8340 (comment)>, or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAAAMCZDVQJLBYVZDKSSKBLS7A7N7ANCNFSM4W6GLFLA.

First one of all who are you referring to?
2nd, what does the ability to speak English have anything to do with the issue at hand?!

[amandasaurus]

Sorry, I was replying to maro-21's comment, who I presume is a native Polish speaker (from their changeset history).

On the topic of unisex toilets, I have often had to explain what you had to do here, to explain that “unisex” means “not segregated by gender”, rather than the word being a shorthand for "male & female", and it seems to be non-native speakers of English who seem to be more often to make this mistake. Hence my kurt reply 🙂

[maro-21]

Means 2 different things: gender neutral toilet where everybody can go into a common space and pick the next available stall/booth/cabin. And it can mean a common entrance but then toilets separate by gender.
These things are very different.

But iD GitHub isn't a place for inventing a new tag. iD displays it how it is explained on Wiki. How is it in JOSM? DIfferent?

• Propose new tagging,
• discuss or vote it with others,
• describe it on Wiki,
• then request a change in iD.

For me it doesn't really matter if toilets are separated or not... "Unisex=yes" means "Access to all persons regardless of sex or gender" (Wiki). There is just missing information if there is a separated entrance or not. So this really isn't a place to discuss it.

[mxxcon]

But iD GitHub isn't a place for inventing a new tag. iD displays it how it is explained on Wiki.

🤦‍♂️
Once again nobody is inventing any new tags. I opened this issue to address the fact that iD can't map CURRENTLY documented scheme from wiki.

How is it in JOSM? DIfferent?

Irrelevant. This issue is about iD.

For me it doesn't really matter if toilets are separated or not...

That's great for you. But that's an extremely egocentric viewpoint to have for somebody involved in a global mapping project.
For millions of people around the world it matters very much.

If it doesn't matter to you, why are you in this issue then? Move on with your life and let other people address a problem.